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Re: VST instruments plug-ins
« Reply #30 on: Dec 31st, 2008, 12:24pm » |
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on Oct 23rd, 2007, 7:18pm, krismega wrote:Here is a really interesting solution to play VST's with HA:
 Introducing Cantabile
Cantabile is a simple, easy to use VST host, MIDI recorder/sequencer and audio recorder.
Designed primarily for real-time playing of virtual instruments and effects, Cantabile includes a highly optimized audio engine to minimize system load and reduce audio drop outs.
Cantabile Lite
Cantabile Lite is a lightweight, simple, easy to use VST host.
It includes the same highly optimized audio engine as the full version and includes support for up to 4 plugins, ASIO and DirectSound support, audio recorder, MIDI recorder, MIDI sequencer, metronome, MIDI filters, MIDI controller assignments, on-screen keyboard and more...
Cantabile Lite has no nag screens, is not a crippled demo, is completely free and available for download now.
Cantabile (Full Version)
The full version of Cantabile includes many additional features not found in Cantabile Lite, including support for unlimited plugins, multi-channel audio, plugin organiser, program organiser, improved plugin editor, morph and randomize tools, incremental saving, A/B preset toggling and more...
The full version of Cantabile is available at a very reasonable price (US$25.00)
and a demo is available for download now.
http://www.toptensoftware.com/cantabile/index.php
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Hi.
Wanting to return to this speech, if I did not understand 'Cantabile' can be connected in real time with HA, or must first export to an audio format from HA and then import it in 'Cantabile'. 
Thanks in advance for any response.
Luigi
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Re: VST instruments plug-ins
« Reply #31 on: Jan 17th, 2009, 5:15pm » |
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Use ''Virtual MIDI Cables'' to output the HA midi signals in the midi inputs of your VST Host.
Try freewares "MappleMidi" (http://www.hurchalla.com/Maple_driver.html) or "MIDIYoke" (http://www.midiox.com/myoke.htm)
Personally i try & use ''MappleMidi'' - with 4 virtuals cables of 16 channels each = 64 channels - with Cantabile 1.2 or Reaper and Vista.
Each channel access a ''VST Rack'' in the VST Host.
If you require more ports than the four default input and outputs, you can install Maple Extra Ports after the Maple Virtual Midi Cable for a total of twelve ports.
(If you're not sure if you need extra ports, then you don't need it).
After installation, you need configure HA midi outputs & latency, and your host midi inputs to enabe midi ports.
More info about how interfacing HA and a VST Host is available in ''Shared Experience'' chapter of this site.
Please read: ''Harmony/Melody Assistant and GPO Studio'' (http://www.myriadonline.com/fr/sharedxp/gpo/index.htm),
and ''Harmony/Melody Assistant and the Garritan Jazz & Big Band Library'' (http://www.myriadonline.com/fr/sharedxp/jabb/index.htm).
Bye 
P.S.: Thank for your comment, i've updated the original post 
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Re: VST instruments plug-ins
« Reply #32 on: Jun 7th, 2009, 1:05am » |
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There is another possibilitie.
By example, there is a program called FLStudio. It`s for loops and all that. Instead of using it and connecting it trough some tricky way (midi yoke, rewire, etc) you can load it as a VSTi inside your prefered sequencer (cubase, sonar, reaper, etc)
There are several VSTi plugins that can take the midi of the sequencer, edit it, and send to the sequencer back.
Suppose that Harmony make a VSTi version of it, you just load it in your prefered sequencer. You score from thre, and send the midi out back to the sequencer. Inside your sequencer, you can connect the Harmony output to any other Sample library/virtual instrument you want.
The advantage of this way is that it`s not need to develope VSTi support, ASIO support, and all that.
There is a french developer that makes first an standalone of their software and then developed a VSTi version. Maybe you can contact them, language would make things easier, i guess: www.sensomusic.com
I believe that if Myriad develope Harmony as VSTi, it would be a innovative thing (difficult?) and it maybe could be a separated license. So, if you need to work with VSTis and sequencers, you can purchase this separated version, to support the development of it.
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Re: VST instruments plug-ins
« Reply #33 on: Aug 17th, 2009, 10:57pm » |
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J'ai voté oui car, après avoir utilisé les VST dans Cubase, j'ai constaté un point très positif : les réglages des VST sont sauvegardés dans le fichier de Cubase. Si l'on utilise des VST depuis un autre logiciel relié à HA par MIDI, il faut sauvegarder séparément les réglages, ce qui devient un cauchemar si l'on utilise plusieurs VST.
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Re: VST instruments plug-ins
« Reply #34 on: Oct 13th, 2009, 1:46pm » |
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1. I think that the ease of use would be the primary benefit, opening up one program instead of having the VST instruments in e.g Reaper and hooking up HA by a virual midi cable. It works but you need to name the files properly so you know what is used...
2. Also to be able to access the VST parameters directly from HA, so you can skip all that 7 bit MIDI controller nonsens.
3. The Accompaniment instruments could then be also a VST. As I'm building my own library it would be great to keep the instrument setting.
4. I think it would be a great sales argument - I guess many dissmiss HA before trying as it does't have VST support... like I did for quite some time...
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Re: VST instruments plug-ins
« Reply #35 on: Oct 28th, 2009, 10:35am » |
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Regarding making HA a VST to be inserted into other VST hosts. It migh be nice for some situations but no all VST hosts can connect ONE VST to send midi to many other VSTi's. It will get a bit messy as you most certainly want more than just one VSTi connected. And I'm not even sure if the VST API can get you to have more than one MIDI output from a VST plug. And if not your strapped to 16 midi channels/instruments, which is not sufficient for orchestral works...
PS. VSTi's cannot send midi AFAIK according to standard API, so it would have to be a VST.
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Re: VST instruments plug-ins
« Reply #36 on: Oct 30th, 2009, 7:06am » |
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Vst Plugins support in MA/HA would bring the programs to a new level, comparable to FL Studio and others where samples can be added freely from Korg Legacy, Cubase, Kontakt, Goliath, etc.
We can also used Image Line effects, FL Studio effects, Guitar Rig, and other effect processor.
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Re: VST instruments plug-ins
« Reply #37 on: Jan 13th, 2010, 3:58pm » |
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on Oct 28th, 2009, 10:35am, ZooTooK wrote:Regarding making HA a VST to be inserted into other VST hosts. It migh be nice for some situations but no all VST hosts can connect ONE VST to send midi to many other VSTi's. It will get a bit messy as you most certainly want more than just one VSTi connected. And I'm not even sure if the VST API can get you to have more than one MIDI output from a VST plug. And if not your strapped to 16 midi channels/instruments, which is not sufficient for orchestral works...
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The work around for this would be to open another instance of HA VSTi. Not ideal, as you say but for smaller works no problem. You could also use something like energyXT to wrap HA VSTi and kontakt for example.
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This does not appear to be true. energyXT VSTi can send MIDI. You can check by loading a VSTi version of it into itself.
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Re: VST instruments plug-ins
« Reply #38 on: Mar 7th, 2010, 12:22am » |
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I already own and play with FLS - the reason that I recently bought HA is that FLS does not have a score editor and some of the interesting features of HA. The aim was to play around with the score until I was happy with it, and then move it over to FLS to work on the "sound and effects" parts and render it there.
The thing that I have found (and should have realised) is that having at least the basic sound of the vst plugin instrument available in HA would make working on the score a whole lot more interesting.
As a developer, I can imagine the complexity of a full implementation of instruments, effects and whatever else might be involved.. but I suppose what I am looking for is a method to avoid having to open multiple vsthosts and do the midi setup each time.
Wouldnt it be possible as a first step to define an instrument that is actually a vsthost within HA that would start up as a child process running whatever vst/preset/volume that it is passed as a parameter along with the midi port it should be listening on?
just a thought
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Re: VST instruments plug-ins
« Reply #39 on: Mar 7th, 2010, 7:02pm » |
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Hi
you can connect harmony with your VST host via midi. then you can use all tha sounds from your program within Harmony.
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Re: VST instruments plug-ins
« Reply #40 on: Mar 8th, 2010, 2:13am » |
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Hi - thanks very much for the suggestion... I did go through that process originally, but decided that it would get complicated if I work on anything with more than 10 or 15 instruments... that's why I got to thinking that it would be nice if HA provided even basic vst instrument support. It was just a thought...
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Re: VST instruments plug-ins
« Reply #41 on: Mar 8th, 2010, 8:57am » |
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hello mikers
i too would prefer a direct vst support. but as long as we dont hav it i have to use the midi connection.
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Re: VST instruments plug-ins
« Reply #42 on: Jun 13th, 2010, 12:09pm » |
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Avec un peu mal au ventre j'ai mis de côté Harmony asistant, pour passer à un logiciel de composition, Notion3 (en anglais, hélas pour moi, pas pour les anglophones, naturellement) qui, malgré l'inconvénient de la langue est très complet et facile d'emploi, mais surtout permet d'utiliser les plugs in VST. ( D'autres le font, Comme Sibelius, mais avec un résultat audio assez médiocre, faut l'faire !) Comme instruments VST J'utilise Viennna, EWQL-Play, Kontakt et Garritan à l'occasion. (ce dernier s'utilise assez facilement sur Harmony quand on a compris la petite manip à faire). Incontestablement les instruments sur Vienna ou Play et les articulations disponibles sont d'une facture bien supérieure à ce qui est proposé dans la base de son Gold. Oui, bien sûr, ça coûte la peau des roubignoles ( pour les mecs, les dames, je ne sais pas ) mais quand on aime on compte pas ! (enfin, pas trop, ou longuement !). Si donc un jour l'utilisation des plugs in VST était possible, c'est avec soulagement que je retrouverais Harmony, qui, selon moi, mes diverses incursions dans d'autres logiciels aidant, est ce qui se fait de mieux en matière de composition.
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Re: VST instruments plug-ins
« Reply #43 on: Aug 5th, 2010, 3:11pm » |
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Bonjour,
Je travaille depuis des années avec toutes sortes de programmes: Sonar, Cubase, etc.
si MA pouvaient intégrer les VST, je n'utiliserai plus que lui, c'est sûr !
J'ai essayé le système proposé, avec Mapple et Cantabile, comme suggéré, mais si je change la vélocité des notes dans MA, ça n'a pas d'effet dans Catabile.
Y-a-t'il un moyen ?
Merci d'avance
Deepen 
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Re: VST instruments plug-ins
« Reply #44 on: Nov 29th, 2010, 9:40pm » |
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Si je pouvais utiliser mes VST avec harmony, j'oublierai d'ouvrir les autres logiciels de composition. Je ne verrais pas quoi demander de plus. Par contre, il est particulièrement frustrant de ne pouvoir s'y employer actuellement. J'ai bien vu ce qui concerne les cables virtuels, mais n'étant pas anglophone, et le sujet me paraissant obscure, m'y engager ne m'attire pas vraiment. à moins que quelqu'un m'explique... Cédric.
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