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Question: Do you support the proposal below?

Yes     18 (81.8%)
No     4 (18.1%)

Total votes: 22

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No default reverb in instruments  
« on: Nov 8th, 2005, 7:24am »
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Vote for this item if you want the default reverb effect processor to be removed from standard instruments (like Piano for example).
 
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Re: No default reverb in instruments  
« Reply #1 on: Nov 9th, 2005, 6:34pm »
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yes i prefer starting with a dry instrument and adding any effects myself
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Re: No default reverb in instruments  
« Reply #2 on: Nov 9th, 2005, 6:45pm »
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Personnellement je préfère les avoir et les enlever ensuite, mais ce n'est qu'une question de fonctionnement...
 
Une solution pourrait être que les effets, s'ils sont enlevés, soient mis dans les "Predef" dans une arborescence Instruments > Piano > Piano 1 par exemple.
 
I prefer to keep them and change/cancel them. But if the result of this poll is "yes" I'd like some of thoses effects in the "predef" when we edit an FX, so we can call it.
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Re: No default reverb in instruments  
« Reply #3 on: Nov 9th, 2005, 9:44pm »
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Est-ce que cela pourrait être inclu par défaut et débrayable si désiré?
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Re: No default reverb in instruments  
« Reply #4 on: Dec 11th, 2005, 5:51pm »
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Definitely Yes. I would rather apply the effects manually rather have an automated reverb.
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Re: No default reverb in instruments  
« Reply #5 on: Dec 11th, 2005, 9:28pm »
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Well, maybe in the "blank" template, a "dry" start is good, but suppose you start working from a template from the orchestra section, can be good that each instrument will have the pan and reverb info from start?
Or maybe a single button called something like "erase all FX" or "deactivate all FX"?
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Re: No default reverb in instruments  
« Reply #6 on: Dec 11th, 2005, 11:27pm »
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You're a genius, marce! Put in a button saying if you want to remove the FX! OK.
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Re: No default reverb in instruments  
« Reply #7 on: Jan 4th, 2006, 2:21pm »
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Bonjour,
Cela est-il applicable aux groupes d'instruments comme les cordes puissantes par exemple? J'essaie en fait d'en diminuer la réverbération...
Merci!
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Re: No default reverb in instruments  
« Reply #8 on: Jan 4th, 2006, 11:41pm »
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J'ai voté oui. Idéalement il serait préférable que chacun puisse se créer ses propres configurations par défaut. Mais comment faire pour que ce soit ergonomique, bref pour qu'on ne crée pas une usine à gaz ? Le système d'instrument de MA / HA est déjà assez complexe (avec un même instrument qui peut se trouver sur plusieurs portées, avec les lois...).
 
Peut-être faut-il relier cela à la réflexion sur l'Assistant de création d'un nouveau document ?
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Re: No default reverb in instruments  
« Reply #9 on: Jan 25th, 2006, 6:29am »
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The problem with having reverb in instruments is that reverb (like surround but unlike stereo panning, chorus, distortion, and other effects) is usually used to simulate something about the acoustic environment, not the instrument itself (there are exceptions, such as using reverb with a Performance Curve to simulate the sympathetic string vibrations and cabinet resonance that happens with a piano when you press the damper pedal). As such, reverb really needs to be a global effect. I would prefer seeing the reverb in the Global Digital Effects dialog beefed up to be at least as powerful as the Per-Instrument / Per-Staff Reverb currently available in Digital Effects.
 
It gets really bad when the sampled instrument itself has lots of reverb (which you can't remove!), and then excessive Digital Effects reverb is added on top of that (reverbing not only the instrument, but the natural recorded reverb as well!) in the Instrument Definition. See Didier Roche's otherwise-excellent rank-by-rank sampling of a French Church Pipe Organ in the Gold 1 and 2 SoundBases for an example here: whenever I use them, I have to apply a Cancel Reverb effect to the Staff, and still get the heavy natural reverb.
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Re: No default reverb in instruments  
« Reply #10 on: Jan 26th, 2006, 3:12am »
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on Jan 25th, 2006, 6:29am, COMALite J wrote:
. . . I have to apply a Cancel Reverb effect to the Staff . . .

 
How do you do that?
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Re: No default reverb in instruments  
« Reply #11 on: Jan 26th, 2006, 4:21am »
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Add a Digital Effect, and either click on "Reverb" and tell it to "Stop," or select the "Stop All" preset (that one will disable all Digital Effects applied to any Instruments on that Staff).
 
You can also just edit the Instrument, click on the "Reverb" button, and set all sliders to 0. This is fine when you only have one Instrument on a Staff. But, in the case of Didier Roche's pipe organ, I use Staff Rules in conjunction with Velocity to simulate the effect of a Crescendo Pedal, that adds and removes stops (ranks) as the pedal is moved. Since it is Velocity and not Volume-based, the Crescendo Pedal effect cannot affect a note in-progress, as a real Crescendo Pedal can, unfortunately. Still, though, it provides an easy way to control the registration of the simulated pipe organ at various points in the song.
 
Anyway, this can mean over a dozen Instruments on a single Staff. Disabling Reverb on each of them individually would be a chore (or a job for MyrScript). Applying a Stop All Digital Effects to the Staff itself is easier in this case.
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Re: No default reverb in instruments  
« Reply #12 on: Jul 9th, 2015, 2:33pm »
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Bonjour, en ce qui concerne les effets le mieux serait de pouvoir éditer les volumes en passant par la table de mixage . Cette possibilité manque dans harmony assistant. Table de mixage trop pauvre en ressource  il faut y remédier à tout prix dans la prochaine version .
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Re: No default reverb in instruments  
« Reply #13 on: Jul 12th, 2015, 7:31pm »
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Bonjour, c'est un peu hors sujet, là il s'agit des effets (reverb, wah...)
 
le volume n'est pas modifiable dans la table de mixage ? Avez-vous choisit la grande table de mixage?
 
Ouvrez un sujet sur le forum normal pour obtenir de l'aide.
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