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Question: Do you support the proposal below?

Yes     36 (97.2%)
No     1 (2.7%)

Total votes: 37

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« on: Nov 8th, 2005, 6:17pm »
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Description:
Additional alternate chord symbol notations (Harmony Assistant
only). Currently, HA only has Anglo-Saxon and Absolute Solfeggio (FaSoLa) notations available, determined by a checkbox in Preferences to enable Anglo-Saxon notation. Instead, this should be a group of Radio Buttons, or perhaps a drop-down menu, with additional choices: Anglo-Saxon, Absolute Solfeggio (with "Do" always being "C"), Relative Solfeggio (with "Do" being the Tonic of a Major Key, or "La" the Tonic of a Minor Key -- for instance,
in the Key of G Major, "Do" would equal G, not C), Roman Numerals:
Traditional (where, for instance, in the Key of C Major, a D minor chord would be "ii" but a D Major chord would be "V/V" instead of "II" since the D Major is the Fifth of the G Major, which is the Fifth of the Key of C Major), Roman Numerals: Case=Type  (in the same example, D Major would be "II" but D Minor would be "ii" -- a D7 would be "II7" and a D Major 7 would be "II M7" while a D minor 7 would be "ii m7"), Roman Numerals: UpperCase
(the Roman Numerals would always be Upper Case, even for minor chords, which would use a "m" as usual: there would be no space separating the Roman Numeral from the chord type except in the case of a Major7 or some such chord which would cause an uppercase letter to be adjacent to the Roman Numeral: examples include "II", "IIm", "II7", "IIm7", and "II M7" for D Major, D minor, D7 (dominant), Dm7, and D Maj7, respectively.
 
A checkbox following this Radio Button Group or Drop-Down Menu would enable "compact" notation of Augmented and Diminished chords, using "+" instead of "aug" for Augmented chords, and "-" or "°" (degree) for Diminished chords.
This would apply to the selected chord notation system, altering it further:
for instance, a D diminished 7 chord would display as "Ddim7", "Re dim7", "ii dim7", or "IIdim7" in Anglo-Saxon, Solfeggio, Case-Type Roman Numerals, and UpperCase Roman Numerals, respectively, if "compact" were disabled. The same chord would display as "D°7", "Re°7", "ii°7", or "II°7", respectively, if "compact" were on.  Perhaps an additional checkbox could be
used (that would be grayed out unless "compact" were checked) to force the use of "-" instead of the degree symbol for Diminished, even though that's not as musically correct, it would have fewer problems with cross-platform display.
 
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Re: Alternate chord notation  
« Reply #1 on: Nov 10th, 2005, 2:29pm »
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on Nov 8th, 2005, 6:17pm, Olivier Guillion wrote:
...Notation compacte des accords augmentés ou diminués (utilisation de + pour augmenté, - ou ° pour diminué au lieu de aug pour augmenté et dim pour diminué)...

A part ° pour diminué, il y a aussi Ø pour semi-diminué et delta pour majeur septième majeure (7M) qui sont aussi très utilisés.
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« Reply #2 on: Feb 3rd, 2006, 9:46am »
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Je soutiens totalement cette proposition qui permettrait effectivement d'utiliser une forme de notation des accords couramment rencontrée dans la notation 'jazz'.
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Re: Alternate chord notation  
« Reply #3 on: Feb 3rd, 2006, 10:03am »
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Je vote "OUI"!!
Pouvoir passer d'un systhème de notation des accords à un autre est très judicieux et va satisfaire de nombreux utilisateurs, j'en suis convaincu.
Merci d'avance.
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Re: Alternate chord notation  
« Reply #4 on: Jun 2nd, 2006, 1:21pm »
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ok ! mais ce serai plutôt "mineur" pour "-" svp, non ?
 
Pourait-on mettre les tensions entre parenthèse ?
ex : C13(b9)(#11)
 
Et aussi Ø pour "demi-diminué" et delta pour "septième majeure" (7ème Majeur mais pas de contraintes sur la 3ce) ?
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Re: Alternate chord notation  
« Reply #5 on: Sep 29th, 2006, 12:17am »
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I voted yes because it is in many ways the standard.  I would, however, like to also see an option for Nashville Numbering which is the same except it uses Arabic numbers rather than Roman.
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Re: Alternate chord notation  
« Reply #6 on: Jul 2nd, 2007, 12:23am »
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Je rejoint le propos de Mikosax
 
Salutations, Picoulet
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Re: Alternate chord notation  
« Reply #7 on: Jul 8th, 2008, 11:02am »
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I would propose to add the notation that specifies the bass (bass inversion)! (ex Do/re)  
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Re: Alternate chord notation  
« Reply #8 on: Jul 8th, 2008, 2:43pm »
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on Jul 8th, 2008, 11:02am, Musicaresco wrote:
I would propose to add the notation that specifies the bass (bass inversion)! (ex Do/re)  

Try to write Do\re and you'll have Do/re on the score.
 
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« Reply #9 on: Jul 8th, 2008, 3:11pm »
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on Jul 8th, 2008, 2:43pm, Grorom wrote:

Try to write Do\re and you'll have Do/re on the score.
 
Regards.

 
it is true graphically, but if I write do\re in the grid of chords is not made by automatic accompaniments!
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Re: Alternate chord notation  
« Reply #10 on: Jun 29th, 2009, 7:47am »
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Bien sur que oui
C'est même un retard  d'Harmony
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Re: Alternate chord notation  
« Reply #11 on: Oct 21st, 2009, 4:33pm »
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Je vote OUI.
 
On vient de voir sur le forum que la notation en chiffres Romains était souhaitée.
link: http://www.myriad-online.com/cgi-bin/bbs/YaBB.pl?board=news;action=displ ay;num=1255697905
 
Pour ma part je la pratique en étudiant l'harmonie par moi-même et il y a une abondante littérature la-dessus.
Ceci dit, HA permet la saisie dans les lignes d'accords associées à chaque voix, mais c'est un travail supplémentaire fastidieux de la part de l'utilisateur:
 
- une ligne d'accords pour spécifier les accidents de tonalité,
- deux à 4 lignes d'accords pour spécifier les structures d'accord (6 ou 6,4 ou 6,5barré etc.), ou alors on utilise une zone de texte
- et enfin une ligne d'accords pour spécifier la numérotation Romaine.
 
Je pense que HA pourrait réaliser cette tâche de façon automatique surtout qu'il effectue lui même la reconnaissance actuellement (V9.4.7c) . Pour les accidents de tonalité c'est une interprétation que l'utilisateur pourrait indiquer à HA et ce dernier recalculerait les degrés et structures des accords.
 
Pour que HA accomplisse la tâche on pourrait sur l'existant:
- indiquer les voix qui participent au calcul des degrés(c'est la cas actuel)  
- indiquer le nombre notes (3,4..) qui définissent la structure de l'accord (c'est le cas actuel)
- enfin on pourrait indiquer en forcant l'accord, la tonalité accidentelle (ou de passage) qui correspondrait dès ce point à un changement de clé pour HA même s'il n'est pas indiqué graphiquement.
 
Amicalement.
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Re: Alternate chord notation  
« Reply #12 on: Oct 26th, 2009, 5:56pm »
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I believe that this will be very useful, especially if the 'non-western scale' suggestion is ALSO adopted, and this proposal extended to encompass non-12-tone/non-octave scales as well.
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