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Question: Do you support the proposal below?

Yes     35 (81.3%)
No     8 (18.6%)

Total votes: 43

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Virtual Singer as a VST module  
« on: Nov 9th, 2005, 12:53pm »
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Description:
Virtual Singer as a VST plug-in so  it could be used with other programs that
support the VST standard.
 
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Re: Virtual Singer as a VST module  
« Reply #1 on: Nov 20th, 2005, 12:04pm »
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ça ne changerait rien pour HA ?
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Re: Virtual Singer as a VST module  
« Reply #2 on: Feb 18th, 2006, 7:10am »
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VST support should work both ways. Harmony (if not Melody) should be able to use VST Synths as alternate soft synths, and also use VST Digital Effects in addition to its own on any Staff as well as globally. In addition, there should be a VST Synth version of what is effectively the Web Player Plugin, that plays not only VS but also Myriad soundbases in other programs.
 
In other words, Harmony Assistant would be a VST client, and there would be a Myriad VST Synth as well.
 
I would recommend selling the Myriad VST Synth as a separate product (at, say, $30 which includes the per-session time-out trial version of Virtual Singer [the timer gets reset when the VST client program exits and restarts], and the user could purchase Virtual Singer and/or the Gold SoundBase 2 at their regular prices to extend its capabilities), but include it free with Harmony Assistant.
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Re: Virtual Singer as a VST module  
« Reply #3 on: Feb 18th, 2006, 12:14pm »
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on Nov 9th, 2005, 12:53pm, Olivier Guillion wrote:
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Virtual Singer as a VST plug-in so it could be used with other programs that support the VST standard.

Didier, I would say if you develop such plug-in, it would merely target people who do not own MA / HA, hence do not vote in this Democratic Workshop forum.
 
Most people who vote in this forum and use VS with MA / HA could vote "no" because they do not want you to spend time on something they will never use. A few people may vote yes - people that use VST plug-ins, in another context than MA / HA -, but then would they pay twice for VS, i.e. once for the VST plug-in and once for the "plug-in" into MA / HA?
 
Developing a new product that aims at enlarging your customer base cannot be sensibly discussed in this forum. Well, that's my two cents.
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Re: Virtual Singer as a VST module  
« Reply #4 on: Feb 18th, 2006, 12:47pm »
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on Feb 18th, 2006, 12:14pm, Jean-Armand wrote:
Developing a new product that aims at enlarging your customer base cannot be sensibly discussed in this forum. Well, that's my two cents.

So where should it be discussed, then?
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Re: Virtual Singer as a VST module  
« Reply #5 on: Feb 18th, 2006, 3:04pm »
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Hi
Olivier is right were should it be discussed if not here.
I votet yes because it may open the door for a whole lot of VST-plugins to be used in Harmony as well.
 
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Re: Virtual Singer as a VST module  
« Reply #6 on: Feb 18th, 2006, 6:40pm »
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The main problem in a VST plug-in version of Virtual Singer would be the lyrics. Since the VST host doesn't send the lyrics to the plug-in, how to define what Virtual Singer has to sing?
An external text file could do the job, but then how to keep it in sync with the score?
 
The second problem would be the delay. VS calculation takes time, and needs often a few seconds to be calculated in advance for being sure to be in time. This is not compatible with the real-time use of a usual VST plug-in.
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Re: Virtual Singer as a VST module  
« Reply #7 on: Feb 18th, 2006, 9:16pm »
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on Feb 18th, 2006, 12:47pm, Olivier Guillion wrote:

So where should it be discussed, then?

At Myriad's Directors Monthly Board Review.
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Re: Virtual Singer as a VST module  
« Reply #8 on: Feb 19th, 2006, 5:56am »
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on Feb 18th, 2006, 6:40pm, Olivier Guillion wrote:
The main problem in a VST plug-in version of Virtual Singer would be the lyrics. Since the VST host doesn't send the lyrics to the plug-in, how to define what Virtual Singer has to sing?
An external text file could do the job, but then how to keep it in sync with the score?

Take over an otherwise unused MIDI CC or NRPN, with the data value being the VS Fragment number (at present you have about 64 Fragments, if I remember right, and a single MIDI byte can hold any of 128 distinct values, so you even have room for expansion). The job of translating lyrics to Fragments would be done by preprocessor which can read a MIDI file with lyrics attached to MIDI channels, translate the lyrics to Fragments (as VS already does within HA / MA), and the resulting Fragments would be encoded into the MIDI data as CCs (or NRPNs).
 
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The second problem would be the delay. VS calculation takes time, and needs often a few seconds to be calculated in advance for being sure to be in time. This is not compatible with the real-time use of a usual VST plug-in.
Sorry, I can't help you there, other than to remind that CPUs have gotten considerably faster since VS 1.0. Maybe, for a limited number of voices, it could be done in real time? System requirements would be considerably higher than those for your other products, of course, but probably could be done with almost any PC or Mac built within the past two or three years or so.
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Re: Virtual Singer as a VST module  
« Reply #9 on: Feb 19th, 2006, 3:23pm »
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on Feb 18th, 2006, 6:40pm, Olivier Guillion wrote:
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The second problem would be the delay. VS calculation takes time, and needs often a few seconds to be calculated in advance for being sure to be in time. This is not compatible with the real-time use of a usual VST plug-in.

 
There exist plugins that have that problem, called "latency", but most of hosts today have a "latency compensation" option. Not all VST plugins can be played in realtime without latency, so VS will not be alone...
Another option that is used today is the "freeze" option in most of the hosts, that mean, you ask the host to make the calculations of the track assigned to a given VST or VSTi not in realtime and the result is saved to a wav file that is played instead of make the calculations in realtime, so you save cpu until you make some modification to the track you are using.
 
About the lyrics, it seems difficult to found a good solution.  
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Re: Virtual Singer as a VST module  
« Reply #10 on: Mar 20th, 2008, 3:44am »
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Hi  
 
I know this is an old topic but here goes.
 
I don't see VS HA or MA as a VST host present midi implementation in the program is at far to low a level. But if you want to :
 
1: increase Myraids market share  
 
2: versatility of HA/MA and your present plug in base .
 
Then consider going Re-wire hosting. This would permit the slaving of advanced DAW vst sequencers that are midi based to HA/ma adding all of the advantages of the slaved  program and maintaining the integrity of the HA\MA software lines.
 
Just my 2 penny's worth from a user that uses vst applications regularly for my music creation.
 
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