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(Message started by: Olivier Guillion on Nov 9th, 2005, 11:07am)

Title: OMeR editor
Post by Olivier Guillion on Nov 9th, 2005, 11:07am
Description:
An editor to help OMeR recognizing complex scores (for example
indicating manually clefs, systems, ...).

Difficulty:
:star::star::star::star:

Product(s):
:omer:

Title: Re: OMeR editor
Post by bubu42 on Nov 9th, 2005, 11:00pm
Oui, car je trouve qu'OmeR a du mal dès que la partition est un tantinet complexe.

Title: Re: OMeR editor
Post by Francois Desjardins on Jan 6th, 2006, 10:00pm

on 11/09/05 à 11:07:13, Olivier Guillion wrote:
Description:
An editor to help OMeR recognizing complex scores (for example
indicating manually clefs, systems, ...).

Difficulty:
:star::star::star::star:

Product(s):
:omer:


Très désiré!!!!

Title: Re: OMeR editor
Post by Mick Rochard on Jan 6th, 2006, 10:34pm

on 01/06/06 à 22:00:11, Francois Desjardins wrote:
Très désiré!!!!


Egalement! Omer a besoin d'avancer, je n'arrive pas a m'en servir, je butte, pas simple, il faut du temps pour trouver, il faut bien sûr aller vers tout ce qui peut le faire évoluer.

Title: Re: OMeR editor
Post by Robert_A. on Jan 18th, 2006, 4:07pm
This would be very desirable. BUT, there is already an industry leader in score recognition (Sharpeye?). It would be difficult for OMeR to catch up. There is a fundamental difference between software that creates (MA/HA/VS), and software that must interpret existing creations (OMeR), especially when there are no fixed rules for the existing creations. Creative software is easier to change. I suggest that Myriad devote its resources to the creative programs that already rank highly.

Title: Re: OMeR editor
Post by teyab on Jan 30th, 2006, 1:31pm
SharpEye is indeed a good program.
Unfortunately, i have lots of problems with OMeR and i mostly have to rework the scanned systems almost from scratch.

Problem is, SharpEye (2.25) exports MIDI or NIFF (and Recordare's MusicXML). MIDI imports in HA are problematic (typically 4~6 voices madrigals): voices scrambled which means quite some moving staffs around again. As for NIFF, Olivier answered way back in 2002 (?) that he didn't plan to support this format.
On the other hand, why should he (they) open the barn to stray hounds ?

i think out loud: could they licence the SharpEye engine :-/
Yes, an editor would be great !

mit freundlichen Grüßen aus Teutschland,
cb

Title: Re: OMeR editor
Post by teyab on Jan 30th, 2006, 1:47pm
http://www.myriad-online.com/cgi-bin/workshop/YaBB.pl?board=file;action=display;num=1131529879

Je viens de voir que celà pourrait changer ?
mais je préfèrerais qu'OMeR devienne un grand garçon :))

Title: Re: OMeR editor
Post by bubu42 on Jan 30th, 2006, 3:14pm

on 01/30/06 at 13:31:36, teyab wrote:
Problem is, SharpEye (2.25) exports MIDI or NIFF (and Recordare's MusicXML). MIDI imports in HA are problematic (typically 4~6 voices madrigals)

I tried MusicXML imports from SharpEye into HA and it works pretty well.

Title: Re: OMeR editor
Post by Laurier on Jan 30th, 2006, 4:39pm

on 01/18/06 at 16:07:46, Robert_A. wrote:
This would be very desirable. BUT, there is already an industry leader in score recognition (Sharpeye?). It would be difficult for OMeR to catch up.

The problem with SharpEye is that it is PC only. I'd rather see Omer grow...

Title: Re: OMeR editor
Post by teyab on Jan 30th, 2006, 6:18pm

Quote:
I tried MusicXML imports from SharpEye into HA and it works pretty well.

Thank you , i am going to try this.
:P <-- this little bugger shows me how to turn my tongue in my mouth before speaking up loud ...

Title: Re: OMeR editor
Post by Luis on Jan 30th, 2006, 7:07pm
Check you Sharpeye version because it's now version 2.66 dated 6 Jan 2006, and supports latest XML version.

regards.

Title: Re: OMeR editor
Post by teyab on Feb 1st, 2006, 9:52am

Quote:
version 2.66 dated 6 Jan 2006, and supports latest XML version.
Thank you !

MusicXML is proprietary though.
recordare's Michael Good:
http://www.lim.dico.unimi.it/maxproject/max2002/docs/MGoodMAX2002.pdf

What about a 'standard' that didn't pass yet, competes with a dozen of other proposals and which 40 (sic!) apps support as of 2005 ...
IEEE P1599&#8482;/D2.0 Draft:
http://standards.computer.org/sabminutes/2005Fall/5.C-draft-PAR1599-Baggi.doc
"MusicXML is a universal translator for common Western musical notation from the 17th century onwards. It is designed as an interchange format for notation, analysis, retrieval, and performance applications. The MusicXML format is open for use by anyone under a royalty-free license, and is supported by over 40 applications"

What concerns early polyphony ("17th century onwards") ich gucke wieder in die Rohre (intraduisible ~le bout du tunnel~l'autre côté de la lorgnette ?) bref, not sure at all that the format will address early music aspects successfully in the future.  Or remain "royalty-free by that (think of TNEF or SenderID for instance: attempts at 'standardizing' by you know whom ...)





Je vote pour OMeR !

(-(((((((>--    ici une injection d'hormone de croissance pour notre sympathique gaillard  ;-)
sorry pour la longueur et la pédanterie du message.
amicalement,
cb

Title: Re: OMeR editor
Post by Nik_A on Jun 15th, 2006, 5:02am
I'd like to say (pardon le anglais, je parle francais pas) I have seen Photoscore which was built for use with Sibelius but not by the same programmers. It works but the editing tools are different. If OMeR could have editing tools as close as possible to HA it would be a huge advantage. (Good on you to all at Myriad for a great effort)

Title: Re: OMeR editor
Post by jihel9 on Aug 1st, 2006, 7:42pm
oui à 100 %, malgré plusieurs essais, je en suis pas encore parvenu à obtenir une copie correcte.

Mais je suis tenace, je ré-essayerai. 8)
Bien le bonjour.

Title: Re: OMeR editor
Post by Babysteps on Jun 11th, 2008, 8:42am
Hi all,

I think having 3 equally strong products are better then 2. After all, it is already there why not make it better? Consider also that the other 2 products have already been developed and nurtured...in other words you can only do so much and improved so much.  I'm sure we all like to think that softwares are endless, but at some point we need to take a break to start learning the features we have added.

Omer doesn't require a lot of editing just some tweaking to make it better. It also due for an update (since 2004?) I know there's a lot of similar softwares that does a great job...but why give them the business? I frankly, like all the people/teams  that had developed the products on this site and want them to make money.  I mean I have practically brought all the softwares on this site. It make me feel like a family here... except I don't get any benefit from being a family member :( darn.  I'm like a cousin that only visit once a while, and only come when there's a problem. Hehe

Anyway even thought I don't know all the people involved in creating the products...I know it's a good product and it should deserved some tender loving cares so it could grow up to be just as strong as the other products.  :)

~Ann



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