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Harmony et Reaper  
« on: Oct 30th, 2010, 2:45pm »
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Bonjour,
Depuis quelques mois j'expérimente Reaper, et j'en viens peu à peu à délaisser mon vieux Cubase...
Je suppose que certains d'entre vous connaissent ce DAW remarquablement efficace, et très abordable financièrement.
Mais il lui manque un éditeur de partitions, que réclament beaucoup d'utilisateurs (surtout francophones d'ailleurs)...
Or je vois une certaine parenté dans l'esprit des deux entreprises, Myriad et Cockos  : démarche très voisine dans la politique tarifaire, bonne réactivité aux demandes des utilisateurs.
Alors j'en viens à rêver d'une possible collaboration, qui aboutisse à une interactivité  entre les deux softs (par exemple Melody ou Harmony en tant qu'éditeur MIDI externe dans Reaper).
Utopie ?
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Re: Harmony et Reaper  
« Reply #1 on: Mar 19th, 2011, 9:40pm »
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Re: Harmony et Reaper  
« Reply #2 on: Mar 22nd, 2011, 10:20pm »
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Merci pour ce petit coup d'UP !    
Ma question ne semblant pas déchaîner l'enthousiasme des foules, je la considérais comme tombée aux oubliettes...
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Re: Harmony et Reaper  
« Reply #3 on: Apr 12th, 2011, 9:17am »
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cf mon doc:  
Integrating Reaper and Harmony Assistant How-to
http://www.myriad-online.com/en/resources/sharedxp.htm
 
Sinon je suis tout à fait d'accord sur le fait que les 2 entreprises partagent les mêmes philosophies. Ceci les rapproche (juste prix, ouverture d'API pour que la communauté implémente de nouvelles fonctionnalités), mais peut aussi les éloigner (volonté de rester indépendant et maîtres de leurs choix sans dépendre d'une entité extérieur).
 
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« Reply #4 on: Apr 27th, 2013, 1:40am »
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Re: Harmony et Reaper  
« Reply #5 on: Apr 27th, 2013, 4:21pm »
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Thanks for the ups, Tremolo, otherwise I wouldn't have noticed this thread
 
Here are a bunch of scattered ideas that crossed my mind while writing this:
 
Using Reaper as my main DAW and composition program, I almost stopped using HA; in the beginning it was quite hard to get used to the MIDI notation system, coming directly from a traditional score editor, but now I find it much more handy and powerful for composition. Reaper is also obviously a much more powerful tool when it comes to sound design (it's a DAW, doh!), and for someone like me, that's a gazillion times more important than score editing alone.
Nevertheless, from time to time I still need to create scores, which brings me back to the awesome program called HA
 
Now, going to the HA forum, you can see moderately heated discussions concerning VSTi implementation in HA and other sound-related features, which means that a lot of HA users would love to use powerful features like the ones that come with Reaper.
 
Basically, the fusion or integration of these two would possibly create benefits for both programs, although I'm not sure how this would happen. Probably, everyone would expect to see another mode to Reaper's MIDI editor, from the view menu (View > Mode: Score editor). Since Reaper's ability to edit several MIDI cues simultaneously, several staves could appear, like in a normal HA score window. Next, there could be a few tools, for notes, rests and accidents (otherwise said, what you see in HA's note tools, rest tools and accidental tools palettes) for basic editing. Sounds okay until now, but now it gets tricky. Only operating with these concepts I described so far, there are a few problems:
- First of all, writing notes in the score editor isn't the only direction. There is necessary to also have the other way around, which is building the data in Reaper's piano roll by recording from MIDI keyboard, and then going to score editor mode. Without a strong quantization, that would probably look like a horrible mess (which is pretty much how it looks like when you MIDI record directly in HA), although that is pretty much the expected behavior.
- What is actually more problematic is the fact that a piano roll allows writing an incredibly complex polyphony without any fuss. You can have 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, or just as many voices as you want in the same MIDI cue (let's call that a staff for comprehending purposes), appearing and disappearing at all times. That is a much larger problem, since (at least a small polyphony) would be expected to have a perfect sense when looking at it. Consider a 2 voice tune, where the rhythm differs from the upper voice to the lower one. In HA, the common way to make a score look good with that would be designing a multi-voiced stave, applying up stems for voice 1 and down stems for voice 2. If the rhythm differences are complex enough, that is pretty much the only option even if you don't necessarily care too much for score appearance. The problem here is that in MIDI notation, two voices in the same staff are not categorized as two voices. So how would HA's score editor decide how to split these voices and make them editable? (consider that 2 voices is a happy case, as there can be way more complicated scenarios).
- Furthermore, there are also effects like trills, tremolos, staccato, graces, arpeggio, etc.. In HA, a trill is just a note with an effect, but in MIDI terms, a trill is a succession of fast notes. Again, going from notation to MIDI is easy, but the other way around doesn't work. Try to create a new blank document in HA with one staff, and use either of the features that I enumerated before. Then export to MIDI and import back. It will look nothing like what it used to be. For example, triplets are not even detected.
...And these are the most basic problems of score editors inside all DAWs. There are a lot of other things. The problem here is that while HA and Reaper both are amazing programs that function perfectly as separate pieces of software, they might not be so easy to fusion.
 
Long point short, it would be amazing to see a collaboration between HA and Reaper, therefore I fully support the idea, but it's possibly too difficult to design and program.
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Re: Harmony et Reaper  
« Reply #6 on: Sep 14th, 2017, 10:55pm »
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I'm running into these problems between HA and Reaper right now. I prefer composing in HA, and find the amount of control over the notes quite useful, but have no luck in exporting the MIDI while preserving all those effects. Not even slurs?
Would like more cross-platform compatibility vis-à-vis rich MIDI exports preserving all the work I do in HA
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