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« on: Dec 5th, 2017, 12:53pm »
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I may have asked this before...
 
Is there a way to beam Bar 3 (red note) with the beam direction of Bar 2 (green note) ?
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Re: Beam direction  
« Reply #1 on: Dec 5th, 2017, 6:38pm »
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on Dec 5th, 2017, 12:53pm, Tony Deff wrote:
I may have asked this before...
I think you did, but I can't remember what answer was given at the time...
I'm not sure, but it may have something to do with the division in the time signature.
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« Reply #2 on: Dec 5th, 2017, 7:45pm »
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Well then, is there a way to get younger members to remember the questions and answers of older members?
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« Reply #3 on: Dec 5th, 2017, 7:53pm »
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I knew the topic wasn't  that old : here it is ! However, I don't think you'll be happy with the answer.  
<Edit>I've tried -in vain- to use special beams. The only way I can think of just now is a bit crooked : use a special beam (only one line) on the 1/16th and add a graphic line on the right side. </Edit>
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« Reply #4 on: Dec 5th, 2017, 8:11pm »
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Ooops ! I forgot the screen scan. Here it is.
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« Reply #5 on: Dec 5th, 2017, 11:57pm »
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I can't figure out why anyone would want to beam the eighth note to the sixteenth in the first place.
 
If the meter is 3/4, the eighth note belongs with the dotted quarter in the first two beats; it is in appropriate to link it to notes in the third beat.
 
If the meter is 6/8, the eighth note still shouldn't be beamed with the sixteenth, because the sixteenth and the dotted eighth are part of a pair of eighth notes that should remain a unit.
 
Either way you look at it, beaming that eighth to the sixteenth obfuscates the rhythm for the performer, which is never a good thing.
 
 
 
Added:  Though I do admit that if you were going to beam the second half of a 6/8 measure, the appearance Tony Deff wants would make sense, but I still think my point above should take precedence.
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« Reply #6 on: Dec 6th, 2017, 2:33pm »
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I concede to the majority vote and will not beam the first eight-note.
 
Thank you for the link to the original replies and for your suggestion Bubu; a "graphic line" seems complicated (the note is prone to relative displacement of any Free Object, if that is what it is.)
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« Reply #7 on: Dec 6th, 2017, 8:11pm »
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on Dec 6th, 2017, 2:33pm, Tony Deff wrote:
I concede to the majority vote and will not beam the first eight-note.
 
Thank you for the link to the original replies and for your suggestion Bubu; a "graphic line" seems complicated (the note is prone to relative displacement of any Free Object, if that is what it is.)

Actually, it is not attached to the page but to the measure and can self-adapt to its width. Yet, as I said earlier, it is really cumbersome.
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« Reply #8 on: Dec 18th, 2017, 7:00pm »
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I apologize if this is flogging a dead horse, but I just bought some books on musical notation (I want to make my scores consistent with the best practice) and was struck by the following passage in Music Notation:  A Manual of Modern Practice (2nd ed.), by Gardner Read:  ". . . When such broken beams are used within groups of three, four, or more notes, the broken beam points in the direction of the note of which it is a fraction. . . ."
 
So it appears that in Tony Deff's original example, the beam on the sixteenth note would always point towards the dotted eighth, regardless of whether that other eighth note is beamed with them or not.
 
I have no idea who the author of this text is (he apparently taught composition and instrumentation at Boston University), but from my reading in the book so far, he does seem to know what he is talking about.
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« Reply #9 on: Dec 18th, 2017, 7:10pm »
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I apologize if this is flogging a dead horse, but I just bought some books on musical notation (I want to make my scores consistent with the best practice) and purely by chance came across the following passage in Music Notation:  A Manual of Modern Practice (2nd ed.), by Gardner Read (New York, 1979:  Taplinger):  ". . . When such broken beams are used within groups of three, four, or more notes, the broken beam points in the direction of the note of which it is a fraction. . . ."
 
So it would appear that in Tony Deff's original example, the beam on the sixteenth note would always point towards the dotted eighth, regardless of whether that first eighth note were to be beamed with them or not.
 
I have no idea who the author of this text is (he apparently taught composition and instrumentation at Boston University), but from my reading in the book so far, he does seem to know what he is talking about.
 
Professor Read's is the most scholarly of the three books I bought; the other two are more in the nature of practical guides for those charged with preparing scores, either by hand or on the computer.  But all three are death on the idea that the beaming of measures must absolutely, positively reflect the metrical structure of the measure, on pain of flogging (though some people I know would enjoy that) or worse (I suppose that these days that would mean having one's smart phone confiscated or one's Internet access revoked--a punishment that other people I know would find worse than death).
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« Reply #10 on: Dec 18th, 2017, 7:34pm »
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