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Making A Unison With A Dot   Dotted_eighth_note_unison.JPG
« on: Jul 9th, 2013, 2:54am »
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Hello,
Is there a way to make a dotted unison without it looking like a double dotted unison ??
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« Reply #1 on: Jul 9th, 2013, 7:55am »
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I take it you have 2 voices on this staff...
This is what I would do :
1- Place the dotted 1/8th + 1/16th on voice #1 (stems up)
2- Turn to voice #2 and place a non dotted 1/8th (stem down) + a 1/16th rest (edit it and check the "invisible" box) + a 1/16th (stem down)
3- To make the 1/8th play correctly, edit it and set the pressure time to 150 %.
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Re: Making A Unison With A Dot   Ddots.JPG
« Reply #2 on: Jul 9th, 2013, 8:13am »
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Another way (though these seem like 'workarounds') when it would be great to have HA sense the dotted unison and supress the second dot:
 
Add the down stem dotted quaver
Double click it to open the Note Options window
Top right - click the Note Head Shape until you get to stem only (7 down clicks) and OK the change
 
This removes the head of the down-stem quaver, leaves its dot which is hidden by the dotted Up-stem quaver head.
 
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Re: Making A Unison With A Dot  
« Reply #3 on: Jul 9th, 2013, 12:03pm »
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Thanks for your help !!
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Re: Making A Unison With A Dot  
« Reply #4 on: Jul 11th, 2013, 12:39am »
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I am intrigued that you have this problem.  I've never encountered it, even in the latest version.  Is this the result of merging staves, or are you combining the two notes in some other manner?
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« Reply #5 on: Jul 11th, 2013, 7:36am »
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The double dot happens whether you write the lines on separate staves and then merge, or create 2 voices on one stave and add the notes to each active voice separately.
 
If there's another way, or your setup is different to mine and prevents one of the dots appearing let us know!
 
It wouldn't surprise me.  
 
How would you create the dotted unison PaulL?
 
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Re: Making A Unison With A Dot  
« Reply #6 on: Jul 11th, 2013, 10:28pm »
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Hello,
I have discovered that If I enter a note and take the select tool and hold the right mouse button down a window pops up. I can then click on "Duplicate note with stem invert". This seems to work only with quarter notes and dotted /double dotted quarter notes. It will not work on  dotted/double dotted eighth notes and smaller. It may play correctly on the smaller notes but it doesn't look right.
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Re: Making A Unison With A Dot   Dotted_notes.bmp
« Reply #7 on: Jul 12th, 2013, 1:12am »
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on Jul 11th, 2013, 7:36am, Jeff1955 wrote:
The double dot happens whether you write the lines on separate staves and then merge, or create 2 voices on one stave and add the notes to each active voice separately.
 
If there's another way, or your setup is different to mine and prevents one of the dots appearing let us know!
 
It wouldn't surprise me.  
 
How would you create the dotted unison PaulL?
 
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I do it just as you say, by creating two staves and then merging.  I am running under Windows XP and don't know of any configuration setting that might affect this.  The "Duplicate note with stem inverted" option gives a similar result as in the attachment.
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« Reply #8 on: Jul 12th, 2013, 8:10am »
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The problem occurs when writing dotted unisons of quavers and shorter.  
 
PaulL - Would appreciate you trying it with tailed notes dotted in unison and see if you can get the unison to appear with one dot and not the double.
 
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Re: Making A Unison With A Dot  
« Reply #9 on: Jul 12th, 2013, 10:38am »
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- Traducción automática al español -
Oh, lo siento, Oliveira, debo haber perdido algo.
 
A pesar de mis esfuerzos, no puedo encontrar, en mis archivos, los mensajes de correo electrónico en el que se describan con precisión estos problemas, junto con la forma en que deben ser corregidos. Proporcione por e-mail toda la información útil (por ejemplo, la fecha y el tema de los mensajes)
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Re: Making A Unison With A Dot  
« Reply #10 on: Jul 12th, 2013, 11:07am »
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@dheo
 
The problem you encountered doesn't occur very often because, usually, eighth notes are beamed together.
 
I couldn't find any solution easier than the one submitted by Jeff1955, i.e. setting an invisible head to the second note. This solution also works when you have a half note and a quarter played in unison, and you want the half note to appear (you then have to mask the quarter head).
 
I will try to fix this in the program, but I doubt it could be done easily, because voices are considered as independent object, and each of them is unaware of what is written on the other voices. It is therefore difficult for the program to change the default position of the dot in such cases.
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Re: Making A Unison With A Dot   Dotted_eighth_notes.bmp
« Reply #11 on: Jul 13th, 2013, 3:22am »
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on Jul 12th, 2013, 8:10am, Jeff1955 wrote:
The problem occurs when writing dotted unisons of quavers and shorter.  
 
PaulL - Would appreciate you trying it with tailed notes dotted in unison and see if you can get the unison to appear with one dot and not the double.
 
Jeff

 
Ah, I see!  The problem is that on one staff the note is downstem and it is upstem on the other.  In addition to the solutions mentioned, another solution, which may or may not suit every situation, is to adjust the Score>Display Setup>Dot setting for "Horizontal adjustment for upstem flag" to 0.  See the attachment.  (The space between the dot and the note can also be adjusted to suit.)
 
@M. Olivier:  Would it be easier for you to make it possible to drag the dot to the desired spot?  This would help me greatly in situations where dotted notes on merged staves must be displaced.  Instead of devising an algorithm to take account of the other merged staves, simply allow us to adjust the dots manually.  I would like that very much, if it can be implemented.
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Re: Making A Unison With A Dot  
« Reply #12 on: Jul 13th, 2013, 7:33am »
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Now that works well PaulL. I have played with your suggestion briefly and it seems to work brilliantly.  
 
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« Reply #13 on: Jul 13th, 2013, 10:38am »
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Hola amigos:
Me vais a permitir que discrepe. Cuando hay dos notas solapadas (doble nota) con puntillo, se deben de mostrar los 2 puntillos. (Uno solo es incorrecto).
A falta de una solución mas automática, aquí os dejo un pequeño vídeo.
LO MAS IMPORTANTE: A la única nota que hay que alternar el puntillo es a la que tiene la plica abajo. Con eso es suficiente y se logra una representación bastante correcta.
Un saludo.
 
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« Reply #14 on: Jul 13th, 2013, 7:21pm »
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@Oliveira
 
It's not what the MuseScore users think...  
No es lo que piensan los usuarios de MuseScore ...
http://musescore.org/en/node/12970
 
and
 
http://musescore.org/en/node/18232
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