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James_Burnon
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Eb minor for Bb Trumpet?
« on: Jul 2nd, 2012, 1:31am » |
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I'm trying to write a piece of music for a Bb trumpet.
The key that I would like to write this in is Eb Minor.
It doesn't appear that this is possible with Melody Assistant?
I would need to put the entire sheet music in the concert key of Db minor. But that requires a double flat in the key signature which doesn't appear to be supported.
Is there any way I can write this piece for Bb trumpet in the key of Ebm.
I know that I can write it in D# Minor, by setting the sheet music in the concert key of C# Minor. But that doesn't solve my problem because I don't want to write this piece notated as D# Minor. I want it notated as Eb minor for the Bb trumpet.
Is it possible to do this using Melody Assistant?
If so, what's the secret?
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Re: Eb minor for Bb Trumpet?
« Reply #1 on: Jul 2nd, 2012, 9:41am » |
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What do you mean? Should it sound in Ebm, which means it is to be written in Fm, or do you want it to be written in Ebm, which means that other instruments would have to be written in Dbm, a tonality which would require a signature with 8b?
I suppose it's the second one.
Usually composers think in terms of the way it sounds, and thus nobody would ever write something in Dbm, but in C#m, and consequently the trumpet would be written in D#m (6# in the signature). But nothing forbids you to write the trumpet in Ebm and other instruments in C#m.
Just one VERY stupid question: is there really a reason why this tune should be written in a so uncommon tonality?
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Re: Eb minor for Bb Trumpet?
« Reply #2 on: Jul 3rd, 2012, 1:41am » |
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on Jul 2nd, 2012, 9:41am, JP wrote:
Just one VERY stupid question: is there really a reason why this tune should be written in a so uncommon tonality? |
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I didn't think that Ebm was considered to be an uncommon tonality.
Why should Ebm be any less common than D#m?
They are enharmonic keys.
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This may sound trivial to you, but it's not trivial to me:
It is far easier for me personally to read, write, and think in Ebm than in D#m.
Sonically they are identical as they are enharmonic keys.
The fingering on the trumpet is identical.
The only difference is in the notation and I prefer to write, and read, this music in Ebm.
In fact, I actually wrote the whole thing in D#m because the sheet music program is forcing me to do that. But I'm finding that when I print out the music it's throwing me totally off when I try to read this music.
It would be far easier for me to read this music if it were notated in Ebm.
I'm actually going to sit down and rewrite the whole piece in Ebm using a trumpet staff in the key of C. Just for the sake of having a print-out in Ebm. That's how important this is to me.
But my question is, "Why I can't I put a Bb trumpet in the key of Ebm using Melody Assistant?"
From what I hear other sheet music programs provide a way to do this easily.
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Re: Eb minor for Bb Trumpet?
« Reply #3 on: Jul 3rd, 2012, 9:01am » |
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I have no trouble with writing something in Ebm for a Bb Trumpet using HA.
The only point is that other instruments would have to be written in C#m as Dbm is not feasible, not only by HA/MA, but more generally as a 8b signature is not supported.
As far as I know, there is not so much difference between HA and MA in that domain. Could you please explain in detail the way you try to do it and the behavior of the program?
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Look at this example. It's a Bb trumpet in Eb with piano accompaniment in C#m.
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Re: Eb minor for Bb Trumpet?
« Reply #5 on: Jul 14th, 2012, 4:20am » |
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on Jul 3rd, 2012, 10:03am, JP wrote:| Look at this example. It's a Bb trumpet in Eb with piano accompaniment in C#m. |
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Yes, that's fine. I have no problem with the other instruments being in C#m.
So how do you do that for a single staff?
I just don't know how to change the key signature of a single staff like that.
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Update:
I think I see how it works now,.... I was using the Score Menu to try to change the key. I couldn't figure out how to change the key of just one staff. I just now tried using the key signature pallet tool to change the key signature on just the trumpet staff and that seems to work.
It also changes the alto sax from A#m to Bbm at the same time. But that's cool. I'd rather have the Alto sax in Bbm too anyway.
So this is good.
Thank you very much. I just didn't realize the pallet key signature tool would do that. And it leaves everything else in C#m which is fine.
Thank you. You've solved my problem.
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