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How make notes play on certain repeats only  
« on: Nov 2nd, 2009, 11:22am »
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In Harmony Assistant, is it possible, within the same bar, to have certain notes that play only on the first repeat, and certain other notes that play only on the second repeat?
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Re: How make notes play on certain repeats only   nuances_repetitions.myr
« Reply #1 on: Nov 2nd, 2009, 12:27pm »
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Oui, c'est possible, mais ce n'est pas simple.
 
Voici la solution que j'utilise :
 
- Entrez la musique correspondant à la première voix
- Posez les barres de répétition
- Dans l'espace situé au-dessus de la première mesure de la portée, osez la nuance voulu au premier passage
- Double-cliquez sur la nuance et décochez Au passage 2 puis OK
- Dans la portée, sous la première nuance, redéposez une autre nuance
- Double-cliquez dessus
- mettez la vélocité à 0
- Indiquez par exemple "First time only"
- Décochez Au passage 1 puis OK
 
- Ajoutez une voix à votre portée. Elle correspondra à ce qui sera joué au second passage.
- Entrez la musique correspondant à la seconde voix et donc à ce qui sera joué la seconde fois.
- Dans l'espace situé sous la seconde voix, posez la nuance de la muique jouée au second passage
- Faites un clique droit sur celle-ci et désactivez Appliquer à toutes les portées de la fusion
- Double-cliquez dessus
- Décochez au passage 1 puis OK
- Posez une seconde nuance sous la première de la seconde voix
- Faites un clique droit sur celle-ci et désactivez Appliquer à toutes les portées de la fusion
- Double-cliquez dessus
- mettez la vélocité à 0
- Indiquez par exemple "second time only"
- Décochez Au passage 2 puis OK
 
Voyez le fichier d'exemple que j'ai joint à ce message.
 
 
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Re: How make notes play on certain repeats only  
« Reply #2 on: Nov 2nd, 2009, 12:58pm »
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Thank you, Nicou, for your excellent detailed explanation.  That is exactly what I needed.  In fact, you have answered two of my question-threads in a single reply!
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Re: How make notes play on certain repeats only  
« Reply #3 on: Nov 2nd, 2009, 1:34pm »
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De rien  
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Re: How make notes play on certain repeats only   Test_tacets.myr
« Reply #4 on: Nov 7th, 2009, 3:22pm »
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I have tried the procedure supplied above by Nicou59 on a two-stave piano part, but it does not work correctly for me.
 
My intention was that the blue voice should play on the first time, and the red voice should play on the repeat.
 
But, in the attached sample (HA 9.4.7c), the blue voice plays on the second time instead of the first, and the red voice plays both times.
 
What am I doing wrong, or is this a bug in HA?
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Re: How make notes play on certain repeats only   Test_tacets_rev2.mus
« Reply #5 on: Nov 7th, 2009, 4:47pm »
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on Nov 7th, 2009, 3:22pm, Robin Walker wrote:
I have tried the procedure supplied above by Nicou59 on a two-stave piano part, but it does not work correctly for me.
 
My intention was that the blue voice should play on the first time, and the red voice should play on the repeat.
 
But, in the attached sample (HA 9.4.7c), the blue voice plays on the second time instead of the first, and the red voice plays both times.
 
What am I doing wrong, or is this a bug in HA?

 
Hi Robin,
 
I've tried your file.
First of all, I've de-mix the two voices staff and got two staves.
Then I applied differents forces as you and Nicou59 mentioned.
I've replaced the first two notes of each bar on the second staff by a silence, just to hear clearly what's happening.
The result is quite good but the second bar of the first staff doesn't sound the second time.
For the moment I don't know why.
 
May be this is a bug ...
 
Here is your modified score.
You can select the two first staves and re-mix
 
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Re: How make notes play on certain repeats only  
« Reply #6 on: Nov 11th, 2009, 1:15pm »
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kedekero, thank you for your efforts, but I am really seeking to understand why the sample score I posted previously is not working correctly.  I need to use this feature in more general contexts.
 
Is it a bug in HA?  Or is it something I need to do differently?  If so, what is it that I need to do?
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Re: How make notes play on certain repeats only  
« Reply #7 on: Nov 11th, 2009, 2:56pm »
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on Nov 11th, 2009, 1:15pm, Robin Walker wrote:
kedekero, thank you for your efforts, but I am really seeking to understand why the sample score I posted previously is not working correctly.  I need to use this feature in more general contexts.
 
Is it a bug in HA?  Or is it something I need to do differently?  If so, what is it that I need to do?

 
Yes the same question remains for me: is it a bug ?
For the moment I think "yes" because nobody responds to this thread after a week!
So may be you will have to alert Myriad team about this?
And I think it's very important to make it work !
 
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Re: How make notes play on certain repeats only   sample_tacet.myr
« Reply #8 on: Nov 12th, 2009, 10:14am »
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If I understand well you want the blue notes played first time and the red second time.
See sample in attachment.
 
The Kedekero sample don't work because the dynamic was set to 20% instead of 0%
 
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Re: How make notes play on certain repeats only  
« Reply #9 on: Nov 12th, 2009, 8:04pm »
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on Nov 12th, 2009, 10:14am, Didier Guillion wrote:
If I understand well you want the blue notes played first time and the red second time.
See sample in attachment.
 
The Kedekero sample don't work because the dynamic was set to 20% instead of 0%
 
Best regards

 
Bien vu Didier,
 
J'ai omis la modification du pourcentage à 0%.
ça fonctionne à merveille pour Robin.
 
Le besoin me semble "contre nature" par rapport à la lecture qu'effectue un interprète humain. Mais bon !
 
Par contre je n'ai pas compris pourquoi la deuxième ronde n'est pas entendue au deuxième passage dans mon fichier.
 
Sur votre fichier, lorsque j'augmente le % cela fonctionne

[modification du post 13/11/09 21:14]
J'ai réussi à faire fonctionner mon fichier avec des nuances différentes (pas de tacet) en recommençant la procédure depuis le départ, voix par voix.
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Re: How make notes play on certain repeats only  
« Reply #10 on: Nov 13th, 2009, 2:14am »
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Hi Robin,  

reading back your thread, may be I misunderstood your goal:
You want the blue notes to play the first run and not to play the second run.
You want the red notes to play the second run and not to play the first run.
Is it right?
 
Your file "Test_tacets.myr" isn't clear about that.
 
For a human player it's more natural to play back all the notes with differents dynamics.
 
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Cheers
 

[modification du post 13/11/09 21:16]
I remove this question: to re-entry with a tacet could be a good trick.

Je retire ma question à Robin. La reprise avec un tacet peut être un effet intéressant.

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