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Je vous invite...
« on: Apr 9th, 2004, 10:44am » |
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Après beaucoup de travail astrologique pour choisir les couleurs précises de cet homme qui est soleil du Lion, lune des Poissons, et l'Ascendant du Sagittaire, il y a enfin trois petits albums que vous pouvez voir ici:
http://homepage.mac.com/caroledanforth/robertplant/sexy/index.html
Cliquez sur le grand photo bleu pour entrer l'indexe. (index).
J'espère que vous me donnerez vos commentaires.
(The colors clash, I know. He was born under the full moon, which brings out zodiac complementary colors.) 
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« Reply #1 on: Apr 9th, 2004, 12:18pm » |
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I like it, very, very nice!
I think you have a talent for design and one can see this site is made with care and eye for detail.
A few technical flaws (and that is a compliment, many people make such a mess of their html that I don't even try):
1. In the first page <src> and <br> tags have at the end a space plus slash " /" that does not belong there, two examples:
In img element: <img height="99" width="400" src="../graphics/lovetitle.gif" border="0" alt="Love" />
In br element: <br />
2. In the album/index.html page:
<td width="150" "nowrap">
Two possible reasons why it did not work in IE.
- Nowrap is an attribute, not a value, so it should not be placed between quotation marks. You can use <td nowrap="true"> or simply <td nowrap>
- Special care should be taken when the nowrap attribute is combined with a width attribute. The width attribute of a td element will usually take precedence over the nowrap attribute. When the length of the text exceeds the width of the cell, the text will be wrapped anyway. But if a width attribute is used for the table element the nowrap attribute will take precedence over the width attribute when the length of the unwrapped text exceeds the available space in the table.
3. In the picture pages:
<div align="right" "nowrap">
A nowrap attribute of the div element may be used with some browsers, but is not part of html.
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« Reply #2 on: Apr 9th, 2004, 2:31pm » |
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Quote: A few technical flaws (and that is a compliment, many people make such a mess of their html that I don't even try):
1. In the first page <src> and <br> tags have at the end a space plus slash " /" that does not belong there, two examples:
In img element: <img height="99" width="400" src="../graphics/lovetitle.gif" border="0" alt="Love" />
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Not flaws at all. <br /> and <img ... /> are closed correctly. Although HTML 4.01 traditional loose does not require tags that have no closing tag to be closed, stricter standards do require it. Up-to-date WYSIWYG editors will close the br and img tags in that manner.
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« Reply #3 on: Apr 9th, 2004, 4:16pm » |
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on Apr 9th, 2004, 2:31pm, Earl wrote:
Not flaws at all. <br /> and <img ... /> are closed correctly. Although HTML 4.01 traditional loose does not require tags that have no closing tag to be closed, stricter standards do require it. Up-to-date WYSIWYG editors will close the br and img tags in that manner. |
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Hm, not stricter standards, a different standard. Doesn't do harm in html, but it is not html 4, but xhtml 1. I never use a WYSIWYG editor, but I suppose these editors anticipate future developments this way, using xhtml code in what is still a html 4.01 page according to the declaration at the start.
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« Reply #4 on: Apr 10th, 2004, 2:28am » |
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Merci. I really like the albums too.
I was hoping someone would view the source. I learned HTML and XHTML at the same time, and at some web builder site I was encouraged to use the XHTML />tags in HTML 4.01, along with lowercase, to avoid having to change all the pages in the future. It validates with those tags at W3c, but it does muddle my mind to use an XHTML/HTML mix like that.  I have actually decided to write <br> and the img tags as HTML, but sometimes I automatically type the XHTML without intending to do so.
It is the same future XHTML issue with putting everything in "" or not. I have seen nowrap in sources, as opposed to "nowrap". I looked it up in the HTML specs and notice that it's only used for th and td. My css book uses white-space for unspecified "elements". I suppose then that I could use white-space for a div, but I shouldn't use nowrap for a div. So I'll change that.
By the way, did you notice that in the $INDEX_IMAGES$, the Galerie generator doesn't outprint <td colspan... on spacer rows following a row of pictures. There can be 6 tds in the previous row (6 pictures), and the next row just reads
<tr><td height="10"></td></tr>
It should read
<tr><td colspan="6" height="10"></td></tr>
Is this happening with your Galerie app also, or did I download a faulty 3.3 Galerie .dmg? 
I really like the lack of clutter on pages made with Galerie! I have four albums (JAlbums) to remake with Galerie on another part of my site. The pages are too full of bars, lengthy footers, and other nav doodads. One can hardly see the photos for all the graphics. I notice that many people at their forum have giant screens. I have 1024x768, and some of my visitors may have only 800x600, so I'll feel better when I remake those albums.
À demain. 
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« Reply #5 on: Apr 10th, 2004, 10:54am » |
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Hi Carole,
I will try to answer your remarks and questions. I personally have a pragmatic approach to the use of standards. Pages should be displayed as intended in most currently used browsers. Strictly following recent standards will not always do that as many people still use older browsers and not all modern browsers are standard compliant in every respect. Especially more recent css causes a lot of problems. For practical purposes, following standards with a 3-4 years distance is good guideline in my opinion.
1. Anticipating xhtml
Much of it is html too, like using lower case, putting all values between "", closing <p></p>. Closing <img> and <br> tags is not part of html, although it will usually cause no problems. Older browsers and recent browsers that read the page as html (because of the html declaration) will just see that "/" as an unknown attribute.
2. "nowrap" or nowrap
If nowrap is used as attribute, it should not be put between "". However in xhtml an attribute cannot be used without value. I did not look up how it could be used in xhtml, probably as nowrap="true", which is also html, possibly even as nowrap="nowrap". But it can also be defined in styles and I suppose that will be more usual in the future.
A question: Exactly what did you try to achieve using the nowrap attributes in the table in your album/index.html page? I see that you used them in cells that have only one folder.gif image in each. The nowrap attributes have no function there.
3. No colspan in rows in index table
Very observant, you actually studied the generated code!
Yes, that colspan attribute should have been there if the cell was intended to fill the width of the table. But it can be done like this if the cell only needs to be in the first column without further cells in that row.
These rows like <tr><td height="10"></td></tr> are empty and only serve to keep the other rows apart or at the selected vertical distance. The colspan attribute is not necessary here and is omitted to simplify the index table. The AppleScripts that generate those tables in Galerie are terribly complex with all the variables involved. So any simplification is welcome.
You can check the table (the way I often check tables visually) by changing the table border to "1". You will see that the spacing rows simply occupy the first column only.
4. Galerie pages
Thanks for your kind remarks about the Galerie pages. Keeping the pages simple and also viewable in older browsers and on smaller screens are things we try to guard.
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« Reply #6 on: Apr 10th, 2004, 1:52pm » |
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Quote:2. "nowrap" or nowrap
If nowrap is used as attribute, it should not be put between "". However in xhtml an attribute cannot be used without value. I did not look up how it could be used in xhtml, probably as nowrap="true", which is also html, possibly even as nowrap="nowrap". But it can also be defined in styles and I suppose that will be more usual in the future. |
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nowrap="nowrap" would be correct, and similarly, noshade="noshade" in a hr tag.
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« Reply #7 on: Apr 10th, 2004, 5:49pm » |
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Well, live and learn...  I had never heard of the td vertical space mode you describe above, where colspan is not necessary.
Good point. I see that nowrap has no function in the main index page. I was most annoyed because IE tumbled my nav icons into two rows in the frameset, so I felt like putting nowrap most everywhere. I don't know why I put it there actually. Probably fatigue...  Nowrap is a fairly new concept for me. In my mind the browser shouldn't start a new line in a td when there is available width unless told to by <br>. I see however that it can happen. It should be easy to remember nowrap="nowrap".
I put these albums up to see how well it all works online, and how it feels colorwise. I like two of the albums, but I can see a couple of title/header changes to be made in Knebworth pages, so I'll redo that one. Thanks for your help.
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« Reply #8 on: Apr 10th, 2004, 7:59pm » |
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See simple example of how nowrap works. It is also used in the "index template horizontal frame.html" files in order to prevent unintended wrapping of the title of a gallery.
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« Reply #9 on: Apr 11th, 2004, 8:29pm » |
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You shouldn't have gone to so much trouble. I do understand how nowrap works. The only confusion I had was that I didn't realize it is only for ths or tds, because my CSS book said to use white-space, which it called a "nowrap equivalent", for any element. That off-hand gave me the impression that nowrap was for any element. It really hadn't been an issue before so I hadn't read the HTML specs on nowrap.
Believe it, I make mistakes in code when I'm tired (the unnecessary .gif nowrap).
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