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VS not reading a vowel  
« on: Sep 7th, 2018, 9:55pm »
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Thought I'd share this.  The word "Gloria" spread over three notes as they would be sung ie. Glo-ri-a.
VS does not pick up the "a" at the end at all. All you get is "Glor-i"
 
I've finally found a work-around by adding the letter "r" to the "a" so that it reads "Glo-ri-ar" then VS picks it up.
 
It might help anyone doing christmas carols ....!
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Re: VS not reading a vowel  
« Reply #1 on: Sep 7th, 2018, 10:25pm »
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Gloria is mot an english word but a latin word.
Just write [!lat]Gloria [!us]
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Re: VS not reading a vowel  
« Reply #2 on: Sep 10th, 2018, 10:19am »
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on Sep 7th, 2018, 10:25pm, JP wrote:
Gloria is mot an english word but a latin word.

Well, it's also an English personal name, so VS should be able to cope with it.
 
NB. It looks like US English does cope with it, but UK English doesn't.
 
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Re: VS not reading a vowel  
« Reply #3 on: Sep 10th, 2018, 11:10am »
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Indeed, Steve, English knows the word, but in both versions and hyphenated or not, it will mute the final "a", making it eventually a #@ or a #V.  
 
That's why the word has become "glory", I'd guess.  
 
Of course, in a latin text the [!lat] is almost unavoidable in the context "gloria in excelsis..."  
 
What becomes tricky is when songs in English include words like "Amen" or "Alleluia" (sometimes "Halleluja" or whatever).  
 
I have heard [#eI-mEn] and [#El-le-...]
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Re: VS not reading a vowel  
« Reply #4 on: Sep 10th, 2018, 3:20pm »
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Peut-être en ajoutant un "h" après le "a".
Glo-ri-ah
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Re: VS not reading a vowel  
« Reply #5 on: Sep 10th, 2018, 3:39pm »
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on Sep 10th, 2018, 3:20pm, jihel9 wrote:
Peut-être en ajoutant un "h" après le "a".
Glo-ri-ah

 
Sadly, that changes the vowel of the middle syllable
 
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« Reply #6 on: Sep 10th, 2018, 10:14pm »
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I've noticed a few problems with the English dictionaries.  The word I run up against quite often is "Bethlehem," which is improperly pronounced in British, while fine in American.  Go figure!
 
What I do with "gloria" is to write it "glo-ri-a[ah]," which gives VS the desired pronunciation.  The letters between brackets show only when you are editing the lyrics.  Plain brackets indicate a pronunciation spelled in the current (specified) language (e.g., [oh] for English, [eaux] for French; pronunciations of the form "[#. . .]" indicate pronunciations in SAMPA, which is a way of writing the IPA alphabet in keyboard characters.  To find out what the SAMPA for the final 'a' is, look in the documentation.
 
I maintain a list of pronunciation corrections for English words common in Church music, so as to avoid having to look up the SAMPA every time.
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« Reply #7 on: Sep 10th, 2018, 10:18pm »
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I forgot to mention that sometimes when VS is behaving oddly, it pays to look closely at the lyrics in the Edit box.  Usually there is a character present somewhere in the vicinity that oughn't to be there.
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Re: VS not reading a vowel  
« Reply #8 on: Sep 10th, 2018, 10:42pm »
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on Sep 10th, 2018, 10:14pm, PaulL wrote:

What I do with "gloria" is to write it "glo-ri-a[ah]," which gives VS the desired pronunciation.

For me, that still gives the wrong vowel in the middle syllable (i.e. glO-raI-A) in UK English.
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Re: VS not reading a vowel   Angels_We_Have_Heard_on_High.mus
« Reply #9 on: Sep 10th, 2018, 11:04pm »
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Here's another way of handling it.
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