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German: S Consonant disappearing...  
« on: Jul 22nd, 2015, 11:27am »
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I have a score in German with several occurrences of the word "Sieg" (no, it's not "Sieg Heil"...).  
 
The initial S isn't heard at all, and sometimes I'm hearing "Lieg" or "Nieg".  
 
The expected sound is sampa [#z] just as in "sein", "sohn", "sonne" "singt", which all sound right.  
 
The Sampa translation of the word is [#zi:k] which should be OK, though I would have preferred [#zi:g]  
 
I have no real occurrence of an "s" followed by a long "i". I have checked with "sie" but that word gives another problem.  
 
How should I tackle this problem?  
 
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« Reply #1 on: Jul 22nd, 2015, 9:00pm »
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I have no experience of writing German (and notice that there is not even a list of German SAMPA sounds in the Help), but if I write a one-word score with "Sieg", it sounds correct.
 
Your problem may be contextual (caused by what comes before). I have had English words that sounded blatantly incorrect and had to be manipulated. [You could try (tssieg) for example]
 
Ensure that the note before Sieg ends in plenty of time, by having a pressure time < 100%
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« Reply #2 on: Jul 23rd, 2015, 9:40am »
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Thanks, Tony, for your comments.  
 
I have the problem when "Sieg" is the first word in the score (first note) - not only when I isolated it artificially to make a test case, but also with a brand new test file.  
 
"Tssieg" would not do it, there is no heading "t" consonant - an English equivalent would be written "zeeg" or so.  
 
Indeed, the HA manual does not show a German table, but that's just for information. I have a document which gives German examples, and it's also not too difficult to translate to Sampa the IPA pronunciation I find in my dictionary.    
 
As I bypass, I use "Sieg[#zzi:g]" but that needs to be done for every occurrence in every voice.  
I would wish to be able to have my own dictionary (or rules) override file.
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Re: German: S Consonant disappearing...  
« Reply #3 on: Jul 23rd, 2015, 9:33pm »
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on Jul 22nd, 2015, 9:00pm, Tony Deff wrote:
.. if I write a one-word score with "Sieg", it sounds correct.

on Jul 23rd, 2015, 9:40am, Andre_B wrote:
I have the problem when "Sieg" is the first word in the score (first note)

Ach zo, you are vonting ze hard Northern German?
 
Perhaps you could ask a German member in a private message?
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