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Wim Corduwener
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Re: a new competitor for VS and Vocaloid
« Reply #1 on: Jul 13th, 2004, 9:23pm » |
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on Jul 13th, 2004, 9:06pm, marce wrote:If it's XP only it can't be good! 
And after hearing this it's like they singing backwards 
Sorry Marce!
Please don't hate me
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Re: a new competitor for VS and Vocaloid
« Reply #2 on: Jul 13th, 2004, 11:56pm » |
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VirSyn Cantor was announced a few months ago. I has already been mentioned here, and on the user forum for Vocaloid. Likewise, Vocaloid and Virtual Singer are mentioned on each other's forums.
VirSyn Cantor is not like Virtual Singer, or Vocaloid. Cantor is intended for "real time" play (keyboard) of a fully synthesized voice. It seems like the kind of thing that would be good for live, techno dance music.
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Re: a new competitor for VS and Vocaloid
« Reply #3 on: Jul 14th, 2004, 2:15am » |
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349 euros.... Depuis que je suis conscient de l'existence de logiciels éditeurs de musique, le problème ( et c'est un sérieux problème ) est que leur coût est excessif. Je ne connais rien qui ressemble à Myriad dans le rapport de la qualité par rapport au prix demandé.
349 euros... Since I am conscious of the existence of software editors of music, the problem (and it is a serious problem) is which them cost is excessive. I do not know anything which resembles Myriad in the report/ratio of quality compared to the asking price.
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Re: a new competitor for VS and Vocaloid
« Reply #4 on: Jul 14th, 2004, 3:03pm » |
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Fruity Loops Demo - FREE - you can type in text and choose voice, then playback via midi kbd or sequencer -
the choirboy voice is excellent -
Microsoft Agent can sing to a tune - FREE -
neither of them is as versatile as VS or can follow a score - but msoft agent has the best voice set in the world -
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Re: a new competitor for VS and Vocaloid
« Reply #5 on: Jul 14th, 2004, 9:07pm » |
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on Jul 14th, 2004, 2:15am, Francois Desjardins wrote:Just for the record:
349,00 euro = 432,67 US$
349,00 euro = 571,83 CAN$
349,00 euro = 2.289,29 FrF
349,00 euro = 675.758,23 ItL
I still can't work with these tables
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Re: a new competitor for VS and Vocaloid
« Reply #6 on: Jul 14th, 2004, 9:38pm » |
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on Jul 13th, 2004, 9:06pm, marce wrote:
Hello marce,
For the moment, the software sings only in English. I did not see a possibility of publishing music on a partition either. The video one does not show a great resemblance to a real voice. It is perhaps not the goal but it is what interests me. Greetings!
Bonjour marce,
Pour le moment, le logiciel ne parle qu' anglais. Je n'ai pas vu de possibilité d'éditer de la musique sur une partition non plus. La video ne démontre pas une grande ressemblance avec une voix réelle. Ce n'est peut-être pas le but mais moi c'est ce qui m'intéresse.
on Jul 14th, 2004, 9:07pm, Wim Corduwener wrote:
Just for the record:
349,00 euro = 432,67 US$
349,00 euro = 571,83 CAN$
349,00 euro = 2.289,29 FrF
349,00 euro = 675.758,23 ItL
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...and hello Wim,
I cannot prevent myself from believing that this kind of price is excessive.
Je ne peux pas m'empêcher de croire que ce genre de prix est excessif.
Salutations!
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Re: a new competitor for VS and Vocaloid
« Reply #7 on: Jul 14th, 2004, 10:03pm » |
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on Jul 14th, 2004, 9:38pm, Francois Desjardins wrote:...and hello Wim,
I cannot prevent myself from believing that this kind of price is excessive.
Je ne peux pas m'empêcher de croire que ce genre de prix est excessif.
Salutations!
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Dear François,
I agree for 100%! That is the reason why I have explain how much money it really is.
Cher François,
Je conviens pour 100% ! C'est la raison pour laquelle j'ai pour expliquer combien argent ce
coûte vraiment.
Excuses pour ma mauvaise français
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Re: a new competitor for VS and Vocaloid
« Reply #8 on: Jul 15th, 2004, 10:07am » |
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......... Même le moteur de synthèse vocale en temps réel présent sur un amiga 500 de base depuis 1991offre un meilleur rendu !
.... Even the real time vocal systhesis software present on Amiga 500 since 1991 sounds better !
effrayant !
Frightening !
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Re: a new competitor for VS and Vocaloid
« Reply #10 on: Jul 18th, 2004, 11:45pm » |
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As of now, Vocaloid only has Leon, Lola, and Miriam. These 3 voices are products of Zero-G. That is, Zero-G records and processes the voice databases. Then Vocaloid (which comes with any voice) uses the database.
I doubt very much if there will ever be a "classical" voice recorded for Vocaloid. The user base does not seem to be interested in that. Judging from comments made elsewhere, "Miriam" might be OK for art songs. It seems that Vocaloid has so many parameters, it is difficult for users to get what they want. Part of the problem is that Vocaloid was originally intended for backup voices, but users want it for leads.
As for the VirSyn Cantor, the new demos sound rather artificial - but there is a type of music that can use that sound. For realistic "singing," no.
Until things change, I congratulate myself for having the best synth voice demos on the Internet. That is purely an objective musical opinion, of course.
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Re: a new competitor for VS and Vocaloid
« Reply #11 on: Jul 19th, 2004, 12:41am » |
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on Jul 18th, 2004, 11:45pm, Robert_A. wrote:| As of now, Vocaloid only has Leon, Lola, and Miriam. These 3 voices are products of Zero-G. That is, Zero-G records and processes the voice databases. Then Vocaloid (which comes with any voice) uses the database. |
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I have heard the Leon demo which is impressive enough but my using it is like using the ooh MIDI chorus patches which I've heard in Classical files but I really think shouldn't be done. As it is, I wouldn't do any MIDI files apart from my originals that have singing words without putting it into VS. But this is really digital audio and no longer MIDI.
On the whole, I find that Vocal Writer gave a nice ambiance but had enormous gender problems which VS doesn't. I am rather grateful to have this program and think it does as good a job as any, even with all its complexities.
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Re: a new competitor for VS and Vocaloid
« Reply #12 on: Jul 21st, 2004, 1:49am » |
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I just listened to the Vocal Writer (Mac only) demos. Very good, much better than Vocaloid or VirSyn Cantor demos. Somewhat better than Virtual Singer for the pop music or country style, in American English. And, I do mean AMERICAN English - strait out of the lower Midwest, as best as I can tell.
I don't know how much relative effort was required to make the Vocal Writer demos, versus my own demos in Virtual (Real) Singer. Once I recorded and processed my voice database, the use of Virtual (Real) Singer was rather straightforward.
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Re: a new competitor for VS and Vocaloid
« Reply #13 on: Jul 21st, 2004, 9:49am » |
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on Jul 21st, 2004, 1:49am, Robert_A. wrote:| I just listened to the Vocal Writer (Mac only) demos. Very good, much better than Vocaloid or VirSyn Cantor demos. |
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Hi Robert,
Could you please, provide me a link?
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Wim
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Re: a new competitor for VS and Vocaloid
« Reply #14 on: Jul 21st, 2004, 10:53am » |
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on Jul 21st, 2004, 1:49am, Robert_A. wrote:I just listened to the Vocal Writer (Mac only) demos. Very good, much better than Vocaloid or VirSyn Cantor demos. Somewhat better than Virtual Singer for the pop music or country style, in American English. And, I do mean AMERICAN English - strait out of the lower Midwest, as best as I can tell.
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Robert and Wim,
As far as I know, Vocal Writer is no longer in development and there is no point to ordering it. I think I left the VW files of Crossing the Bar and Carillon (both processed with Studio Vision Pro I think) on my page at Classical Archives:
http://www.classicalarchives.com/inspire/gold.html
But you have to register to hear them (4 or 5 downloads allowed per day for free.) or pay the $20 or 25 fee for more downloads at CA.
Robert, what you say about the Lower Midwest is right on the mark. The r's are very heavy and the l's are nearly non-existent. They become w's. "Kyrrrie eweison" in Carillon. On the whole, the ambient sound is more attractive than in VS in my opinion but the program is very limited.
Ed
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