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lyrics problems in VS.
« on: Jun 8th, 2004, 3:16pm » |
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I'm having lots of problems with Virtual Singer again and this after I thought I'd solved them.
My loaded and partially edited altos lyrics have disappeared completely. The frame is there and the lyrics are sung but no words.
I'm unable to delete the right syllables in certain places. I can't see them necessarily after I click on them in engraver mode and the deletion goes back to where I don't want it. (limit editing to one bar may or may not be activated.) Also the lyrics tend to wander all over the place.
I can't copy more than one word of text from one voice to another.
I've looked at the help file for bracketing triplets and all I see is config-global setup-edit. I don't see any bracket option.
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Re: lyrics problems in VS.
« Reply #1 on: Jun 8th, 2004, 3:42pm » |
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on Jun 8th, 2004, 3:16pm, Eddy wrote:I'm having lots of problems with Virtual Singer again and this after I thought I'd solved them.
My loaded and partially edited altos lyrics have disappeared completely. The frame is there and the lyrics are sung but no words.
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Check you didn't moved the lyric line outside the staff area or shrinked the staff so the lyric line is not visible.
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I'm unable to delete the right syllables in certain places. I can't see them necessarily after I click on them in engraver mode and the deletion goes back to where I don't want it. (limit editing to one bar may or may not be activated.) Also the lyrics tend to wander all over the place.
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A sample file will be welcome. Specify what program you are using, the version and your OS version.
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I can't copy more than one word of text from one voice to another.
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To copy part of lyrics, the best way is to use the global text editing (Staff>Edit Lyrics)
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I've looked at the help file for bracketing triplets and all I see is config-global setup-edit. I don't see any bracket option.
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Double click on the triplet tool, you can define if you want bracker, slur, etc.
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Re: lyrics problems in VS.
« Reply #3 on: Jun 8th, 2004, 5:16pm » |
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Hi,
Ok send me the file : didier@myriad-online.com.
Tell me too the name of the staff where the problem is.
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Re: lyrics problems in VS.
« Reply #4 on: Jun 8th, 2004, 5:19pm » |
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File received. In the second staff, you disabled the text display.
To get it again : Staff>Staff Display mode, select the staff, activate "Display text".
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Re: lyrics problems in VS.
« Reply #5 on: Jun 8th, 2004, 5:36pm » |
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on Jun 8th, 2004, 5:19pm, Didier Guillion wrote:Hi,
File received. In the second staff, you disabled the text display.
To get it again : Staff>Staff Display mode, select the staff, activate "Display text".
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Yes, although I don't remember doing it. OK. then in measure 28 sopranos, there is "Turns a-gain home" for instance though I think "home" may have disappeared. You can see where the words should go but I can't get them there. "Turns" has a carriage return but I don't think deleting it will help. In fact, the words disappear behind the yellow line if I click on it.
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Re: lyrics problems in VS.
« Reply #8 on: Jun 8th, 2004, 6:13pm » |
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Eddy: Are you editing the lyrics in the music editor window (the one that displays the notes)?
It is better to edit lyrics in the special lyrics editor palette. You can choose "edit lyrics" for the staff. This displays whatever you wrote (lyrics and phonetics, if you used them), with no visibility problem.
Keep in mind that the slash is used to separate measures in the lyrics editor. The slash does not move automatically - this can be useful, or a nuisance, depending on how well you know the lyrics in relation to the beat.
When you choose "edit lyrics," be very careful that you don't mis-choose "erase lyrics" !
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Re: lyrics problems in VS.
« Reply #9 on: Jun 8th, 2004, 6:28pm » |
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on Jun 8th, 2004, 5:55pm, Eddy wrote:I was able to clear up that spot at 28 using staff-edit lyrics and deleting them in that window and then putting them in again.
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Yes, apparently, there is a problem. I don't know if it is a problem with the data or with the program itself.
I 'll investigate...
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Re: lyrics problems in VS.
« Reply #10 on: Jun 8th, 2004, 7:12pm » |
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Robert and Didier,
Yes Robert, you are right and I have been doing that. I learned about the slash but not about everything I need to know about the edit lyrics window.
Didier, I have been able to edit on the staff in other files. It's just here that it's become a problem. So I'm able to do all of this one way or the other. It's strange that what I thought would be the easiest is causing me the most problems.
I did put the "Carillon" file on my new page and was able to do even the chromatic percussion program changes by coloring notes. And the words were easy since it's just a "Kyrie".
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Re: lyrics problems in VS.
« Reply #11 on: Jun 9th, 2004, 8:12am » |
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Hi,
I isolated the problem: the text cell, bar #28 has an incorrect begin time position. I adjusted the current development version to manage and fix this kind of problem. But, I think it will be better to fix definitively it to avoid it in the future.
So, do you remember what operations you applied to got this result ?
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Re: lyrics problems in VS.
« Reply #12 on: Jun 9th, 2004, 11:57am » |
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on Jun 9th, 2004, 8:12am, Didier Guillion wrote:Hi,
I isolated the problem: the text cell, bar #28 has an incorrect begin time position. I adjusted the current development version to manage and fix this kind of problem. But, I think it will be better to fix definitively it to avoid it in the future.
So, do you remember what operations you applied to got this result ?
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Yes, I think I do. This particular file has had several import-from-MIDI problems including incorrect renderings of many of the time signatures at the beginning and even later. In fact, I had to adjust the time signatures shortly before that measure. (modified: I checked the MIDI file and can say that HA did the time signatures correctly. The problem may have occurred going from Encore (where it is correct.) to Studio Vision Pro.
But I think the real problem has to do with how it imported the quarter-eighth triplets in 26 as in Dover Beach measure 101 (I will send a screenshot .jpg since the problem is very similar and I didn't fix it in that file as I did in "Crossing".) I do allow triplets, I think, but the import just doesn't work right. (modified: I did find some duration problems in some of the voices in the SMF but not in all. These were not done right either. I will check the SMF import again in OS9 later on.)
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Re: lyrics problems in VS.
« Reply #13 on: Jun 11th, 2004, 3:01pm » |
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I have completed the VS file of "Crossing the Bar" by using the lyrics windows and, though the lyrics issues in HA-VS remain, I am through with VS for the moment until I write other vocal music which will be some time in happening.
But two problems remain: The bass voices are not bad until they go into moderate speed eighth and sixteenth notes and they sound percussive and punched and not at all legato. I've tried various ways of fixing this problem with no results; changing voices (no I haven't tried RS) editing the voice, trying to fix the user sounds, adjusting reverb etc. I won't post it unless this problem is solved. I've checked the original midi file and it is legato in those places. It does seem to be slightly helped by using the slur tool but not much.
Less serious is the pronunciation of the hard G's in the -ing where it is virtually dropped leaving it with "in'". I've tried editing it in the advanced menu but again to no avail.
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Re: lyrics problems in VS.
« Reply #14 on: Jun 11th, 2004, 5:58pm » |
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Regarding the hard g ending: Try editing it manually, using SAMPA notation. It also seems to me that the "ing" ending omits the hard g, but many singers (inlcuding myself) often omit it naturally.
Note that the SAMPA phoneme "N" does not include the g sound. You have to add it.
If you have already tried adjusting the Virtual Singer's interpretation for longer or shorter recognition of rests, and don't like the result, then try this: Change the lyrics to phonetics alternatives (using SAMPA or fragments). Move ending consonants to the beginning of following words. That is, intentionally change the pronunciation.
Actual (living) singers do this all the time. In English, there are too many consonants in the wrong places. You have to get rid of some of thm, or move them to different syllables.
Even Italian often elides (omits) phonemes when they don't fit the music.
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