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« on: Jun 29th, 2002, 12:44pm »
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Quelqu'un a-t-il trouvé un moyen de changer la manière de chanter de virtual singer. Je veux dire par là, son émotion: énervé, tendre, ect....
Par exemple, je lui fais chanter "go away", j'aimerai qu'il le chante sur un ton plutôt sec, alors que pour l'instant, il le dit tout gentillement  
Comment puis-je faire? merci par avance
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Re: manière de chanter...  
« Reply #1 on: Jun 29th, 2002, 1:01pm »
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L'enveloppe de volume du chanteur permet de donner plus d'énergie au chant.
En accentuant le "pic" de volume lors de l'attaque de la syllabe, cela donne une prononciation moins "coulée", plus saccadée.
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« Reply #2 on: Jun 29th, 2002, 3:39pm »
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Je peux le lire, mais je n'ai pas une dictionnaire ici.... Alors:
 
Try using a second voice staff. This staff contains only the notes and lyrics that you wish to be "sad."
 
In the second staff, edit the timbre of the singer. Living singers change their timbre when expressing emotion. I do not know of any particular settings, but I suggest changing the first and second formants.
 
Also, change the volume, as was suggested above.
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Re: manière de chanter...  
« Reply #3 on: Jun 29th, 2002, 4:36pm »
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on Jun 29th, 2002, 3:39pm, Robert_A. wrote:
Je peux le lire, mais je n'ai pas une dictionnaire ici.... Alors:
 
Try using a second voice staff. This staff contains only the notes and lyrics that you wish to be "sad."
 
In the second staff, edit the timbre of the singer. Living singers change their timbre when expressing emotion. I do not know of any particular settings, but I suggest changing the first and second formants.
 
Also, change the volume, as was suggested above.

 
Traduction pour les anglophobes :
Essayez d'utiliser un deuxième portée vocale. La première portée ne contiendrait que les notes et les paroles que vous souhaitez "tristes".
 
Dans la deuxième portée, éditez le timbre du chanteur. Les chanteurs en chair et en os changent de timbre selon l'émotion qu'ils font passer. Je ne connais pas de configuration particulière mais je vous conseille de changer les premier et dernier formants.
 
Vous pouvez aussi changer le volume comme on vous l'a conseillé plus haut.
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« Reply #4 on: Jun 29th, 2002, 9:15pm »
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It is also possible to put more emotion into the voice using parameter curves to bend the pitch of certain notes. You can use a short glissando to reach up to a high note, or hold the last note of a phrase for a moment and then let the pitch fall. This gives a voice a bit more realism.
 
It is difficult to get this effect to sound right, but when you have got it right on one note you can copy the curve and paste it onto other notes.
 
Traduction pour les masochistes:
 
Il est également possible de mettre plus d'émotion dans la voix avec des courbes de paramètre pour ajouter un variation de fréquence à certaines notes. Vous pouvez employer un glissando petit pour atteindre une note élevée, ou tenez la dernière note d'une phrase pendant un moment et puis laissez le fréquence tomber. Ceci donne à une voix un peu plus de réalisme.  
 
Il est difficile de réaliser cet effet, mais quand vous avez le juste d'effet sur une note, vous pouvez copier la courbe et la coller sur d'autres notes.

 
all the best,
Esmeralda Weatherwax.
 
(Yannick! If my French is either incomprehensible or rude, could you correct it please? It's a long time since I left school and my French teacher was English...).
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« Reply #5 on: Jun 29th, 2002, 9:25pm »
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Esme, that's wonderful!
 
C'est super! Merci pour ce bel effort!
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« Reply #6 on: Jun 29th, 2002, 11:13pm »
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Esme, I wish I spoke English as you write French. It's fantastic!  
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« Reply #7 on: Jun 30th, 2002, 10:11am »
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Merci énormément à tous pour tous ces conseils.
Je m'y attèle tout de suite      
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« Reply #8 on: Jul 1st, 2002, 1:46pm »
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Salut !
Si t'arrive à quelque chose de bien, tu me préviens ? OK ?
On peut faire un échange de voix Virtual Singer tout comme je suis en train de faire un échange d'accompagnements http://iubito.free.fr/accomp/.
 
In English
I suggest we make an Exchange web site for VS voices as I'm doing for accompaniments at http://iubito.free.fr/accomp/.
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« Reply #9 on: Jul 24th, 2002, 4:42pm »
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I find it difficult to get VS to hold words that end with the letter "a".  
A recent example of this has been in the carol "Ding Dong! Merrily On High", which has the famous chorus "Glo----ria, Hosanna in excelsis".  
VS simply seems to run out of breath.
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« Reply #10 on: Jul 24th, 2002, 6:33pm »
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Hi,
 
Could you send me a sample of your problem ?
I'll analyze it...
 
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« Reply #11 on: Jul 25th, 2002, 5:41pm »
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on Jul 24th, 2002, 4:42pm, FourPart wrote:
I find it difficult to get VS to hold words that end with the letter "a".  
A recent example of this has been in the carol "Ding Dong! Merrily On High", which has the famous chorus "Glo----ria, Hosanna in excelsis".  
VS simply seems to run out of breath.

 
 
One thing that can cause this "running out of breath effect" is when a rest occurs in the middle of a word. There is a workaround I often use. Ah, I wish there was a convenient way to show music on these boards, as I could give you an example...
 
Essentially, imagine that we are to sing "A-men", with a few notes on the initial "A", then a rest, then some more notes still carrying the "a", then the final note for "men". Clear so far? the best way of dealing with the problem you describe is to repeat the "a" in the lyrics under the first of the notes after the rest, but to put it in square brackets so that it doesn't spoil the appearance of your lyrics: thus "A-[a]-men".
 
Also, if you have (eg) "Ex-cel(rest, more notes)-sis", it's better to enter that as "Ex-cel[ce]....[el]-sis", as it seems to stop VS trying to extend a consonant over a rest, which can cause problems.
 
If the rest is very long (say, several 4/2 measures) in the middle of a word, as is sometimes the case in the tenors of mediaeval motets, it is better not to hyphen across the intervening empty bars, but to break the word with a space, and use SAMPA (or phonetic spelling) to get the halves of the split word to sound right.
 
I hope these are some help...
 
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« Reply #12 on: Jul 25th, 2002, 8:54pm »
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Ah, I wish there was a convenient way to show music on these boards, as I could give you an example...

 
I asked guillion bros to replace the Insert Flash by a Insert MUS and I hope they'll do it.
So if you want to give an example, there is 2 solution :
1. You have a website : you put the example file with a FTP and you write the link www.yoursite.com/Example.mus
2. You don't have a website : write me an Instant Message. I'll give you a place where you can send your file.
 
The best solution will be that Guillion Bros replace the Insert Flash by an Insert MUS with a little upload script which upload a file from you computer to the Myriad server.
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